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";s:4:"text";s:34433:"We were having drinks and girl talk, about sex, etc.. well he didnt like a few things he heard and got upset. Wife: (my name) I dunno what your heard but its not what, Me: (wifes name) I know exactly what I heard.. She chose to prioritize platonic bonds over her marriage and honestly just participated in casual homophobia at the expense of her husband. If you do want to try to stay with her then, at minimum, you need to insist on marriage counseling immediately and you also need to insist that she completely cut the two homophobic/judgmental friends out of her life. But we hung on. Also she devolved some abusivo behaviour which, according to her was due to the lack of sex. All you heard was a snippet of the conversation that you could loud and clear despite being in another room. I am a closeted bi woman. Go out and do things during those days, don't wallow. You shouldnt have to hide your true self, nor be ashamed of it. This is probably something couples therapy can help you navigate. And also refused to allow anyone to talk about it. Thirdly, those friends have got to GO. To me this is an unfortunate situation one you would never have known about but for some low key curious snooping and snooping isn't meant as you were being a sneaky individual just a situation happened and you were part off it. First let me say your SO is the fucking worst in my humble opinion. It shouldnt be that way forever, and hopefully it isnt one day. I agree, marriage counseling ASAP. She is the one that keeps bringing up your bisexuality to make herself look like the rise to her friends, so she's biphobic as fuck. I can't stress enough how important it was that you didn't let this fester and at the same time you removed yourself from the situation to give yourself time to sort out your feelings. I don't know where you should go from here. If she does in fact really care about you - she will wait. Take a few more days. Im a masculine male with a bit of a cocky arrogance to me and I feel like all my confidence is gone. She let slip things that suggests she views OP inferiorly. That is why we married each other. Try marriage counseling and perhaps moving away for a new start. Im bi and from a close knit, homophobic religious family. Gaslight, blameshifting, shamming, begging by the end and finally divorce. Divorce is an option if you cant get past this but it deserves an effort. I will say at least you dumped the shit on the table straight away and didn't try to eat it by yourself. As for the rest of it, definitely couples counseling. First up outing someone is never good an apology can be made for that but not the making you less than convo you heard. Why does she feel the need to show off to her friends in a way that makes them think less of you? If a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Divorce. And highlight that she prioritized her friendships over your feelings. And be prepared to put the fear of God, who loves bi and gay and straight people, and in Whose name marriage vows are made, into this Tom-person. Honor every feeling, but don't become paralysed by them. What she did was so horrible. Add on the fact that her friends were telling her that Tom was in town - thats another reason she needs to drop the problematic friends. Don't rush the feels phase. About everything. Kids do the joking crap and make fun of boyfriends, not decent women. I've been married for 21+ years. If it were me, I would let her know that she needs to consider how this would be handled if the roles were reversed. Maybe things that we say passively just to get our friends to laugh and joke, but arent meant to be taken seriously. But you have every right to be angry. Wow dude, that sucks and I feel bad for you. I wouldn't be able to think of anything else when having sex with her after hearing her criticize me. It was lovely that the mate called you and said what he did. These ones sound terrible. Thats something she and you will have to work on because she shouldnt be embarrassed of it, but at the same time I kind of understand how she can buckle under the pressure of her friends opinions. She needs to do something to show how sorry she is. Weirdly enough, weve never gotten any negative feedback from our closest friends. This reeks of blatant disrespect, stupidity, ignorance, and bullshit. How disgusting can she be? And sometimes we have to forgive stupid people because we love them anyway. Don't go broadcasting it. he was more "passionate" etc. this sounds like a case of she only sorry she got caught. If you want to save your marriage and restore trust some sort of therapy is probably necessary. I'm sorry. He claims it was just he was not mature and never meant any of the terrible things he did. It sounds like you're discovering a side of your wife you didn't know about. She brought her marriage outside where it shouldn't belong. Forgive them anyway. The bigger problem seems to be that she's embarrassed of it, not willing to stick up for it/you, and is willing to lie to her friends to fit into what they want her to be. There are plenty things I could talk about my girlfriend and make fun of her for it to my mates, but I dont because what happens between us stays between us. Neither is divorce. My ex used to talk about our sex life to her friends all the time and though I thought things were good - I never felt comfortable with this arrangement. And without trust, you have nothing. At a minimum she should have come clean about the bachelorette party thing the moment it happened. After some begging I agreed to come home tomorrow and talk. For that reason I would agree that you guys should talk about, counseling, or like I said, you reconsidering the relationship. Your wife IMMEDIATELY tried to gaslight you as soon as she found out you heard what she had said. I think you should try to work this out. Rob the "state" of whatever you are going through of its power by giving it zero importance. Highlight the fact that obviously the buck didn't stop with her friends as at least one of their husbands know. Right? 3. She has betrayed your trust. I am not open about my sexuality. Let her know how betrayed you feel. Saying stupid stuff about your sex life aside, why are you talking about your sex life with your friends at all? There is no combination of words that will make all this just go away. She cares more about her friends perception of her than she actually cares about showing how much she cares about you. We have a dog and some goldfish. This is now twice that she has blabbed something intensely personal while intoxicatedthat you know about. Whether or not its just because she got caught, I dont know. Tom hasn't been relevant for seven years. It felt terrible. Hopefully, she falls into a better crowd that is modern and accepting. Youre not overreacting. Especially with the "gay" things they do. I hope you are able to get marriage counseling and find a way through this wether it ends with you together or not. I know from experience when you say Ill kinds of shit and they say whatever makes your friends happy or agree especially if youre drinking and they all laugh about it I believe your wife really does love you but she needs to stand up for you with your friends and those friends arent real friends so they have no business in your home do you need some serious counseling for your children sake. As others have said you've been outed and made fun of for YEARS now and the weight of that should be made apparent to your "wife". That was extra stupid. Your partner in crime fucked up. And also, alcohol intake needs to be curtailed. All the sudden I didnt know my wife. I got in my car and drove to my mom's house. I guess the guy was too close or something because my wife again told him that he was drunk and should go back to the group. I'm not saying she will, I don't know her and can't make that call. Part of thinks I should be able to accept her apology and shrug this off.maybe I overacting.but its all I can think about. At 31 years old! Be honest anyway. I keep my composure as best I can and open the slider to the patio and poke my head out. Your wife betrayed your trust, and knowingly let her friends make homophobic comments. Good luck, brother. Anyone that believes stay for the kids has literally never had any experience as a kid whos parents stayed for them. I suggest therapy for you for your feelings and how you want the relationship to proceed. Whoa. IN YOUR HOME. Dont just move on forget, learn from it. You are who you are, it's a done deal. People aren't accepting where I live either. Itd be a dealbreaker for me. Anything she says in the moment right now can't be trusted because she'll do or say whatever it takes to keep you. You heard the truth when she was talking to her friends, about your private life, without your knowledge. German Young Boy Seduce Big Tit Step-Mom to Lost Virgin 16:20. I bet you can still hold your head high with them. Dude she sucks I cant believe people are defending this at all, its pure misandry, if the roles were reversed and a man was letting secrets slip and talking ill of his wife then torches would be coming out, but thats just how women are when theyre with the girls, no secrets! Fuck all that haha, that is so disrespectful. Do NOT let her tell you your feelings are wrong. This is divorce worthy. I think you handled that really well. I started putting a voice recorder in my wife's car after u caught her cheating. Things ended when Tom took a job across the country and my wife chose not to follow him. She immediately started apologizing and saying she loves me and it was drunk girl talk and she didnt mean anything. I would want to know why, if it was me. MILF Teacher seduce to Fuck Anal by Young Boy 12:11. It sucks. If youre ever going to get past this, you should both be in therapy. You might want to discuss that during counselling, or maybe with a therapist. She is trying to write this shit off as a mistake. I am a firm believer that most things can be worked through. If it was truly a complete accident, she wouldn't continue joking about it with them. She should immediately be defending you if they're bigots and jerks about your sexuality. Not to mention she outed him and didn't even come clean and let him know, instead allowed the jokes to flow for a couple years - that's pretty unforgivable. I think you did the right thing in the moment but I would want her to confront her friends if what she said was true and come clean herself to them, Shes bullshitting about not meaning any of it. Take care of yourself, and good luck. Just remember she was crying because she was caught. Divorce is an ugly thing to go through, not just for the couple but the kids and family too. The biggest thing in my mind is, she shouldn't be saying things to appease her friends because she thinks they'll judge her for being with you. Don't be embarrassed about any of that stuff, everyone knows now so just own it. Get your better halves and get the fuck out of my house I sniped as I tipped my fedora and winked at my wifes hottest friend who was clearly impressed by my rage erection that had partially split the seam in my relaxed fit Levi 501s. I never said a word to anyone because I knew how bad she felt about that. But I don't know that it's unforgivable. Marriage counseling needed. I got in my car and drove to my moms house. Own who you are and youll feel so much better. Being a bi women in a straight committed relationship, I can connect with you in some sense because I do hear "you can't be bi, you're married to a man" or I had previous partners that were horribly insecure about my sexuality. Especially the part where she acts like its a close call between you and Tom to her girlfriends. I dont air out our dirty laundry for anyone else to see, especially when it comes to sex. Any time it would come up I would think about those words. We never fight. Does it not show a serious weakness in character that she bull shitted like that? 3) Gossiping about your private life and using it as entertainment for her friends is a huge betrayal. How I interpret she feels: she let slip in a drunken night that youre bi, she enjoys your sex life and when her friends made you the butt of the joke and were being judgmental about it, she felt ashamed, and in true weak fashion chose to join in vs stand up for you and herself. Genuine apologies matter so I guess gage how genuine you think she is or if shes just upset she got caught? It mattered not, the day was mine. From one bi to another, I'm sorry you had to go through this, it's a bisexual's nightmare scenario to hear your long-term partner say this kind of shit. But Im not sure I know anyone who hasnt. Yea, some people are just too worried what their peers think and arent (strong/brave) enough to go against the group. I just dont believe that all the people who have commented how awful your wife is, have never said things they regret. The slider to the patio from the kitchen is open. Or no, either way it was gross as fuck. personally id be filing for divorce right away, being outed alone can be dangerous let alone your own partner then further breaking your trust by cracking jokes about your sexuality. Between stimulus and response, there is a space. I would 100% be considering divorce over this, if in OPs shoes. She and her group of mean girls clearly cant accept that. After a very long silence, she said, "I guess we'll see how it all comes out in the wash anyway." They went to bed soon after. She's probably just as judgemental as them because people surround themselves with people like themselves. Id give yourself more time before going home and talking. Shes married to a bi man, and her idiot friends shouldnt have the power to make her feel bad about it. You must not lose faith in humanity. I (28M) with fiance (27F) about a month ago overheard her tell a friend her previous Ex was the best lover she ever had It was quite by accident that I heard this. This is a recipe that you can utilize to get through a tough circumstance or even a bad day. If after you calm down you still feel like being together, I would even consider moving out. It's the typical "I'm in a perfect relationship but I overheard something that nobody would ever say out loud knowing I'm in the other room" scenario that gets done all of the time on here. Unfortunately as long as there are homophobic people out there, there is potential to damage his reputation. If you need more time to yourself, take it. Repeat offenders shouldnt get second chances and neither should first time ones. People can be so two-faced with that kind of thing. When you can't control what's happening, challenge yourself to control the way you respond to what's happening. Look beyond her faux Pas and look at the positives and what you enjoy. Theres people that will truly respect you and love you the right way. My worst mistake was not breaking up right away. Your sexual relationship is basically the basis of trust in your relationship as a whole. If that partner had outed me to anyone, I would have never been able to trust them again. Your wife have no sense of conjugality. I think it's too late for couples counseling. How horrible she is, violating you, your sex life, envisioning other people. If she truly care about your feelings, she would not have put you down to make herself look and feel better. So (and this is where your perception of the relationship comes in) you have to determine whether she was going with the flow of the conversation or whether she does actually have an issue with that. Anywho, I keep listening and one of her friends mentions that she ran into Tom while grocery shopping and found out that hes visiting family in town. I do not get why some people think it is okay to shit talk or make fun of their significant other to their friends, and act two faced when their significant other is in the room. Sending you strength. If she does it again then it's a bigger issue but i'm sure this will be a big learning moment for her and you will both be in a better place for it. Sometimes they aren't strong enough to defend it. You have an issue, address it. Also you say you feel emasculated. She stopped criticizing after that. Just here to let you know bi guys are preferable. It's not their sex life that she discussed, it's HIS sexuality, something he stated he largely kept private. Back then I hadnt realize I was bi because I was a teen, and scared of being rejected by my family, but I knew I felt certain attraction towards girls. Therapy is what you need. So many unnecessary details. We hung on because we truly love each other and that is what really counts. She was pretty happy discussing extremely intimate shit off the cuff in a group. Just as all good things come to an end, so too do all the bad things. My dad was bisexual and if I heard my mother saying shit like that about him Id be livid. You took that better than I would have. Embarrassed..then it turned to rage. You don't have to let it go. Cuz while I get what youre saying, what OPs wife said was beyond just a little oopsie. Take the space you need & honor your feelings. Its amazing where friendship comes from in the darkest of times. She violated a boundary. Its very helpful to be able to be open about everything with our friends, cause it makes our open marriage life so much easier without having to keep it secret and hidden, so Im really sorry that you guys have to keep your bisexuality such a secret. I think you did the right thing by leaving that night, although blowing up the party that was might not have been the best idea. I told her I was uncomfortable with it. Then throw in this scenario that she was bisexual and the "boys" called her a "butch lesbian who doesn't really like dick.". This will help no matter what you decide. I am pretty much an open book with my partners. You deserve so much better than this. That means she's been laughing about their sex life for a couple years, after outing him and then hiding it from him. Why should he have to tell the whole world his sexuality? Im so sorry this happened. I probably wouldnt have. She's just shown you that you can't trust her with your sexuality. Do not just shrug it off if you stay. She needs new friends what a bunch of assholes. If you two have a solid relationship, you should be able to work through this. Although, bi men have it way worse. You are going to have to shrug this off but your not overacting. I reckon that weve all said things we wouldnt want our SO to hear at some point. Hubby is under the bus & she's driving over him again & again unnecessarily! She shouldn't be hiding things from you or telling people your personal stuff. No real worries there. She sounds sorry and your marriage is great, so maybe dont listen too carefully to all the people telling you to get a divorce. Will you ever be able to "do the bi stuff" in bed with her again? . Honestly the only advice I have is to don't give an inch on the fact that you were the one outted and ridiculed, not her. Normally I'd say you have to share it but I'm not sure what that looks like. That's a MASSIVE breach of trust and decency, while you want to make it about him snooping? I'd also put the missus on a yellow card and ask her to be more honest about the Tom thing; the fact he treated her badly and you're the opposite must be a good factor in staying together. If this is a hurdle you feel like you cant get past, then work on it. 2. Im so lost. I'd be crushed if I heard my wife's friend's say something like that, and then she just hangs me out to dry instead of standing up for me. Are those things outweighed by her indiscrete talking (and her judgemental friends). All I can tell you is that it will all pass in good time, and you deserve better, and if she cant be better it ought to be from someone else. I'm not defending her actions. No. Names have been changed. When they reacted a little judgy then she may have backpeddled a bit. Seriously I have a whole lot of respect for you for how you reacted. She probably just wants to belong and is afraid to stand up to, i am guessing here, to friends with stronger personalities. You can't keep things like that a secret forever. She's betrayed you. Ugh. My fears were confirmed she'd been talking to him for a good while. If you think you can continue in a relationship with someone who is so nonchalantly willing to throw you, your feelings, and your whole person under the bus so easily, for what? She pulled her friends into your marriage and made you the butt of a running joke. Oh My God, seriously? What drops it a full letter grade for me is that the protagonist is always an Abercrombie model. Mom and boy 22:56. How would she feel, how would she react, etc. But she also initiates in the bedroom a lot, which means at least the main idea of her bullshit is false. She needs to apologize to you in a way that doesn't offset the blame to her friends. It doesn't matter how private it is, or if they say they don't, they talk. It takes a bigger person to take the high road, and most people are not. My phone was blowing up the whole time with calls and text from my wife and a few from our friends. Shitty situation man. she outed you, made cruel jokes about your guys sex life, and didnt shut down her friends for being homophobic/biphobic. Doesn't matter if she means it or not. She needs to take responsibility for it and how it made you feel. See how it flushes out. Stand firm in that it wasn't okay to disclose private information that you didn't want to be made public. Seems to me that because of her indifference to your feelings, she needs to get rid of those friends because she emasculated you in front of them. At the end of the day, it is you who'll decide what makes you happy not them! Period.. Maybe your wife didnt feel comfortable telling her friends that she enjoyed herself because she didnt want to be judged. Fuck how you want to fuck. I'm sorry you went through this. You both need to get in front of a good counselors and dig in. So here is a truth I don't think many men/women/etc get: SO's talk. Just the circles I run in a guess. They were together for 3 years. Maybe suggest that. How unattractive I feel. That sucks that your wife has such closed minded friends. Yet, evrything else you've said indicates that she does value you: this relationship was not strained up until this point, and nobody (apart from some really messed up people) can "play pretend" for so long. No shit. Ugh I'm angry for you OP, but I agree with the other posters. we're both 28. The bottom pine is you're supposed to be able to confide in her about these things and she's mishandled your trust. If you love her and things work, then your answer is clear. To at least one person. Sorry bro, you got something thinking to do I can also understand how this could be a blow to your confidence. Then one girl left and all of a sudden the other girl is giving pointers! There are good comments here, so Im not going to get into that. That's only for me and my wife to know. It's not infidelity but to me it sounds just as fucking bad. Lol see. First off, sorry, if a man and woman are doing sexual things together, it isn't gay. I think that you need a good week to try and think about how you feel, how you're going to be able to contain the gossip and how you move forward with the wife . Id also like to see those fun-o-phobes pack their bags and get out of your wifes life. Wouldnt your wifes friend be able to identify you anyway from the story? Ask her about it, give her the space to openly address it and dually try and understand why she feels that way as well as highlighting why you two are together. It doesn't matter if her friends judge her for things - she needs to stand up for you as her husband. If I were OP, the answer to this would play a big part in how/whether I wanted to proceed in the relationship. Letting your orientation slip to her friends is one thing, if she was drunk and it was an accident that's understandable, but it wasn't an accident to make fun of you behind your back to her homophobe friends. You have a couple of children and a good life up until now. Dude that story is messed up. For years. In our response, lies our growth and our freedom. We may discuss, ask for suggestions, etc., but we don't laugh about one of us outing someone (not that we'd care) and trashing their sex life. My conjecture is that she did so because of the above reasons basically to seem cool. It's so important when you have a union of two souls to do everything you can to make sure that your love stays connected and flourishes. Bruuh this is too much for me I'm 52 yrs old, veteran, communications workers close to company retirement, whatever you do just enjoy life. 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